AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7980X & 7970X Review: Revived HEDT Brings More Cores of Zen 4
by Gavin Bonshor on November 20, 2023 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
- AMD
- HEDT
- ThreadRipper
- Zen 4
- Threadripper 7000
- TRX50
TR 7000 vs. Intel: Science And Simulation
Our Science section covers all the tests that typically resemble more scientific-based workloads and instruction sets. Simulation and Science have a lot of overlap in the benchmarking world. The benchmarks that fall under Science have a distinct use for the data they output – in our Simulation section, these act more like synthetics but, at some level, are still trying to simulate a given environment.
In the encrypt/decrypt scenario, how data is transferred and by what mechanism is pertinent to on-the-fly encryption of sensitive data - a process by which more modern devices are leaning to for software security.
Adding to our 2024 CPU suite, we've included the Montage Astronomical Image Mosaic Engine (MAIM) benchmark and OpenFOAM 1.2 and retained our gaming simulation benchmarks, including our Dwarf Fortress and Factorio benchmarks.
We are using DDR5-5200 RDIMM memory on the Ryzen Threadripper 7980X and 7970X as per JEDEC specifications. For Intel's Xeon W9-3495X, we are using DDR5-4800 RDIMM memory as per Intel's JEDEC specifications. It should be noted that both platforms are run with their full allocation of memory channels, eg, TR7000 in 4-channel and Sapphire Rapids in 8-channel.
Below are the settings we have used for each platform:
- DDR5-5200 RDIMM - AMD Threadripper 7000
- DDR5-4800 RDIMM - Intel Xeon Sapphire Rapids WS
- DDR5-5600B CL46 - Intel 14th Gen
- DDR5-5200 CL44 - Ryzen 7000
Starting with performance in y-Cruncher 0.8.2.9523, the Ryzen Threadripper 7980X and 7970X sit marginally above the desktop chips in the single-threaded test. We should note that the core clock speeds are slower on the Intel Xeon W9-3495X, which contributes to why it's at the bottom of the list, but in the multi-threaded test, Intel's workstation chip wins out from the pair of Threadripper 7000 series chips.
In Dr Ian Cuttress's 3DPM V2.1 benchmark, the Threadripper 7980X is on top by a massive margin in the non-AVX test, with a much closer result to the Xeon W9-3495X in the peak AVX test. The Core i9-14900K performs badly in this test because it is the only chip in the graphs that doesn't officially support AVX-512 or AVX instruction sets.
In our more broad simulation tests, such as in Dwarf Fortress and Factorio, the Ryzen 9 7950X3D with its 96 MB of 3D V-Cache on one of the CCDs reigns ultimately supreme. Despite having 256 MB of L3 cache available to the Threadripper 7980X, it is split across 8 x CCDs, meaning each CCD has 32 MB of L3 cache.
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Jansen - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
Bit disappointing that the memory controller only supports DDR5-5200, considering that JEDEC compliant DDR5-6400 RDIMMs are available.Ryan Smith - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
At the end of the day it's the same I/O die as Genoa. So it comes with roughly the same restrictions.TEAMSWITCHER - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
Not surprised by this at all. My 3960X Threadripper system was never able to run 64gb (16gb x 4) at even the promised DDR4-3200 speed. I tried three different RAM kits and even a different CPU (replaced by AMD) and the problem never went away. In the end I believe it to be motherboard issue, it was simply incapable of running stable with any RAM faster than DDR-3000.After spending so much on the ASUS Zenith II Extreme Alpha motherboard, 64GB of DDR-3600 RAM, and a $1400 CPU, the end result was very disappointing. Support from ASUS, AMD, and G-Skill was a long process, and eventually I had to just accept what was working and move on.
Ultimately, I don't believe that AMD and ASUS can properly deliver and support any HEDT platform that is worth the money they ask for it. I sincerely wish Intel would return to this segment, as I never had a problem with my X99 Deluxe II motherboard.
lemans24 - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
Intel is definitely in HEDT with their xeon w-2400 chipsStormyParis - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
I've blacklisted Asus. Lots of issues with both specs, reliability, and service.vfridman - Monday, November 20, 2023 - link
I have two systems with 3990X and two systems with 3970X, ASUS Zenith II Extreme Alpha motherboard and 256GB of 3600 speed G.Skill RAM in each system. All runs perfectly and completely stable, even with maxed out PBO overclock. I regularly run compilation jobs that require almost entire 256GB of RAM and never experienced any problems. I suspect you got unlucky with your CPU memory controller.Mikewind Dale - Tuesday, November 21, 2023 - link
I have a ThreadRipper Pro 3950X on a Supermicro WRX80 motherboard. I run 8x64 (512) GB of Supermicro-branded DDR4 3200 ECC RDIMM without a problem.Adam7288 - Wednesday, November 22, 2023 - link
Same exact config! Ram Bros.tygrus - Saturday, January 6, 2024 - link
How are you going with those >200GB matrices & statistics?Many years ago I had to use raw frequency stats, then a program to generate blocks of SAS code that could analyse cross-tab by cluster (weighted) with smaller subsets of interest from every possible combination (multi-morbidity data). Making sure the stats methods still gave correct results. Divide & conquer to fit in limited RAM of circa 2013 computers. In those days it was mostly constrained by single thread & disk/network IO speed (~100MB/s).
TEAMSWITCHER - Friday, November 24, 2023 - link
Ya know.. I have yet to build an AMD system that didn't suffer from some kind of issue. I don't think I'm unlucky either. I need to stop buying AMD gear thinking... "this time will be different." Because it never is.